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Diversity-related training is one of the most contentious issues in higher education today. They have become embedded in the culture wars and spark intense moral disagreements. Musa al-Gharbi, a Fellow in Sociology at Columbia University, has done a deep dive into the research on the efficacy of these trainings. In today’s episode, we speak with Musa and listen to his blog, ‘Diversity Training’ Doesn’t Work. This Might.”  

Register for our upcoming event with Musa on June 3: DEI Training Programs: What Do They Aim For? What Should They Aim For?

To engage deeper with Musa’s ideas, check out his three-part series on diversity-related training. 

  1. Diversity-Related Training: What is it Good For?
  2. You’ve Been Mandated to Do Ineffective Training. Now What?
  3. “‘Diversity Training’ Doesn’t Work: This Might.’” 

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This episode was hosted by Zach Rausch. The artwork was inspired by Musa’s piece and was created by Lexi Polokoff. You can follow her on Instagram @lexipolokoffart