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In this special episode, recorded in-person at Heterodox Academy’s 2022 conference in Denver, we speak with Glenn Loury, Professor of the Social Sciences and Economics at Brown University, and John McWhorter, Professor of Linguistics at Columbia University. 

John has authored over 20 books on issues of race and language and writes a widely-read biweekly newsletter for the New York Times. Glenn has published numerous influential books on race, inequality, and economics. He is also the host of the well-known podcast, The Glenn Show on BloggingHeads TV, where John is a regular guest. 

In our interview, we discuss the future of higher education and how we can improve our collective discourse.

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This episode was hosted by Zach Rausch, and produced by Davies Content.